I have noticed also a cultural habit? in the USA of calling women by their husband’s name- I always thought it strange that on her wedding day a female in America would suddenly change her name to a man’s name- and it happened to be the same as her husband’s (LOL) seriously- what is that about? I don’t call my self Mrs Philip …. and there does not appear to be a smilar habit over here in the UK- apart from when the husband has a ‘title’ that applies only to him and not his family- then a female would be referred to as lady Philip for example- to show sher had ‘married into’ the title- then again the man would not so it is sexists
as for Ms Clinton – I agree, it is derogatory to refer to her in this way and it reminds me of the way journalists referred to Ms Maragret Thatcher as ‘maggie’ – then again there is still a hangover from more partiarchal times when we call ourselves Mrs and not Ms – and the man doesn’t have to change a thing!
Maybe the media just needs an easy way to distinguish between Hillary and that other Clinton who’s always in the press. They are not exactly dealing with the most literate audience in the US. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. What’s that called again? Oh yeah, Occam’s razor.
There’s also the fact that her campaign signs all say “Hillary ‘08″ and not “Clinton ‘08.” This may be a chicken or egg type question, but it’s very possible that she started it herself because she like to emphasize her level of familiarity with the American public. She was first lady of Arkansas, first lady of the US, and Senator from New York. She’s the most recognized name on the ballot.
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This has been on my mind. Maybe you can help me develop the idea further and more intelligently or eloquently.
I wonder if there is a link between the exploitation of women in hip hop/rap culture and the youth driven movement for Barack Obama. Do young supporters subconsciously choose Barack Obama because they visually link him to the powerful black male rap stars?
I wonder then if they disregard Hillary Clinton as a serious candidate because of certain white female stars in our popular culture who spend time in rehab? If this is the case I hope the easily swayed youth will never make it to the voting booth.
Thank you RB, I think I learned something here
I think all the posters are right – there is an inherent sexism present here – albeit it performed consciously or subconsciously is another matter. It all has to do with establishing authority and with it, the respect that that commands. First name basis allows you to view that person as either an equal or an inferior, while referring to someone as “Senator Clinton” or “Clinton” or their whole names gives them an air of authority and commands attention and respect. Given that most of the talking heads want to debase Clinton, they will usually address her by her first name. And it’s not because this is her campaign theme neither. Mike Huckabee is copying Eisenhower’s theme of “I like Mike (instead of Ike)” and yet no one I have ever heard refers to Mike Huckabee as “Mike”. It is a common first name like Hillary’s. Obama doesn’t quite have this problem as he has a first name that is uncommon, and even sounds almost like a surname. I think it’s more of a subconscious sexism that is culturally ingrained in us and until we recognize it, it won’t change. We need to understand women’s rights have just come about for less than 100 years in the United States, and many countries still don’t have it. So it is definitely an issue that still needs to be addressed, recognized, and eradicated.
The fact that the media also makes a concerted effort to use Obama’s middle name regularly, but started doing so only after he was well ahead of Clinton, suggests that the choice of name is a conscious decision, intended to manipulate people’s view of the candidate.
That said, neither candidate is worth the effort of getting out of bed to vote for. Both are center-right corporatist types with voting records which invite extreme cynicism. Neither voted against the patriot act, for example. Both routinely accept huge bribes (sorry, contributions) from the very people responsible for the current government.
Luckily, I’m not in the US, but in Canada, where the exact same situation obtains – elections are a choice between bad and worse, between hard right ideologues and their center-right enablers. Oh well, not so lucky, I guess.
I’m giving serious consideration to moving to South America – they seem to be moving towards the future, at a time when the ‘developed world’ is charting a course squarely for the dark ages.
I read Mrs BA good observation.Its really sensitive and it shows the citizens responsibilities. May be this sorts of comments may minimise the behaviour of mankind.
[...] seen lots of people claim that referring to Hillary Clinton by only her first name is sexist. We call John McCain “McCain” and Barack Obama [...]
I believe the sexism has been rampant and completely off the charts on MSNBC. As one poster said she is Hilary and he is Obama, etc. I listened the day of the Puerto Rico primary and the references were “she” or “her” and Senator Obama or Barack Obama.
Also what male candidate has ever been chastised for their laugh being a cackle. I forget which news person this quote is from but it was on tv the day of the Puerto Rico primary, the quote “When men listen to her speak they hear “Take out the garbage”".
I am actually more interested in why the press en masse have been inspired, are in awe, and have never heard such inspirational speeches with Barack Obama. No one talks about his ideas or programs only his ability to give a stirring speech. I actually heard an MSNBC person (can’t call them reporters), said just the way he strides on the stage inspires you.
So my question is were they all so inspired because he is inspirational or because his opponent was a woman?
February 7, 2008 at 2:17 am
Maybe they use Hillary to increase her familiarity, and make her a friend or family member over a political candidate. It would seem that the republicans don’t have the odds in their favour so ‘the powers that be’ may want Hillary to win because she is the closest to ‘their’ agenda. And everyone knows ‘they’ control the media as well.