Magic mushrooms inspire ‘spiritual’ experiences. The role of this finding in assessing the claims of organized religion.

In 2006, Roland Griffiths of Johns Hopkins Medicine found that psilocybin, or magic mushrooms, can elicit powerful mystical experiences. He asserts that this finding should not be viewed as a threat to religious belief. I disagree.

The current finding absolutely should be viewed as a threat to religious belief. Here we have research which demonstrates that a chemical can cause deeply profound mystical experiences that people often attribute to a God that they believe in. Griffiths further states that there is good reason to believe that similar neurological processes are involved in giving rise to standard religious experience as are involved in mushroom-aided spirituality. The mushroom-aided spiritual experience is different for different people. A secular meditator may simply feel a deeper connection to those around them, while Mormons, Christians, Muslims, practicing Jews, Wiccans, Hindus, and African spirit and demon believers will each attribute the experience to their supernatural beliefs. This chemical has been found to create altered states of consciousness, which includes altered perceptions of self and the perceived relation between self and other. This type of multiply-interpretable experience is a core element of religiosity and it can be created by a mushroom.

Lets fit this into the broader picture of considerations of the validity of religion. As has been pointed out ad nauseum, apologists for the theistic religions have over the course of thousands of years not managed to provide a solid argument for the existence of either god generally or their god or gods in particular. Arguments for God tend to involve arguments from ignorance (“I don’t know how life and the universe could have occurred unless someone designed them, therefore they were designed”), authority (e.g., the Bible says, my Priest says, my dad says, or 75% of the population believes X so there must be something to it, and how dare you for saying there isn’t!), hindsight-informed cherry-picked interpretation of vague scriptures, morality (morality could not exist without a God), consciousness (the claim that consciousness is qualitatively distinct from the material world and therefore could not be the product of natural processes), and/or personal experience.

Arguments from ignorance can be thrown away immediately because they do nothing more than question beg (“Then who made God?”, “how do you know that a God had to have been involved?”). Furthermore, research and theoretical work in the physical and life sciences have demonstrated how complexity can emerge from simple beginings; they haven’t provided us with the answers to the question of origin, but that is not reason to pretend to know that God is the answer. Arguments from authority can also be dismissed. Trusting the Bible because it is the Bible is circular (“The God of the Bible is the one true God because the one true God wrote the Bible and said so”). Unless the Priest, parent, and societal majority can address the holes in religious theory that have existed since their inception, their authority is invalid as it is solely political, as opposed to merit-based. Arguments for morality fall through because there is no evidence for the existence of an objective morality, regardless of how convenient it might be if there were, and there is a rich and rapidly developing base of evidence from evolutionary biology and developmental psychology which is doing a fine job of naturalizing moral cognition. The argument from consciousness is just flat wrong. Click here for my brief analysis of dualism and material. Next, arguments from scripture are just patently invalid. They overwhelmingly rely on the superimposition of known events on vague statements, they often take intra-scriptural “prophecy” as being valuable (e.g., fulfilled Old Testament prophecy in the New Testament), they involve ignoring vast expanses of text which either bare no apparent resemblance to known happenings or are contradicted (e.g., creation stories versus evolution and physics), and so on. Further, were these statements even meant to be prophetic, so much as cautionary (i.e., rather than being statements of what will happen, they were actually cautionary statements of what would happen if…)? Finally, arguments from personal experience. These fail for a few reasons. Firstly, people of all different religious backgrounds have mystical experiences. They cannot all be right? At minimum all but one of these groups is partially deluded, and there’s no way to know who is who and what is right and what is delusion. Secondly, there are a variety of nonreligious ways to produce religious experience. In addition to drugs like psilocybin, one can engage in years of secular mindfulness meditation to cultivate deep profound life changing and mind-expanding experiences of dissolution of the self as being separate from the world, a core element of religious experience. Qualitatively similar experiences can also be generated in emotionally intense relatively anonymous social settings such as a charged political rally of thousands.

Now consider all of the above in light of some other relevant findings in the cognitive sciences. Firstly, humans have an overdeveloped proclivity to infer agency, or mindedness (see Religion Explained by Pascal Boyer). We have a natural tendency to attribute human-like mindedness to nonhuman referents, such as animals and the universe as a whole. Human history is replete with examples of humans attributing confusing physical and social phenomena like lightening, thunder, rain, the sun cycles, illness, good luck, bad luck, good and evil intentions, and so forth to Gods, spirits, and demons. As science has progressed over the centuries many of these Gods have been relegated to mythology. Germ theory supplanted belief in witchcraft, astronomy obviated the need for belief in Thor to understand thunder, and so on.

In addition to our natural inclination toward explanations invoking intelligent design and guidance, we are also very trusting of our elders as youths and we build conceptual frameworks around earlier conceptual precursors. So, we will trust our elders when they give us supernatural explanations for things, and as we build more and more of our framework for interpreting reality, life and meaning on top of the initial framework, it can become more and more emotionally unsettling to revise previous beliefs. Among the costs of this are personal anxiety and social instability.

So lets look at the big picture. Religious organizations have as of yet not produced a strong argument for the intellectual validity of religious belief. Arguments from ignorance, authority, scripture, morality and personal experience fall through. Many of the questions that people previously thought were intractable and/or unnaturalizable have benefited strongly from scientific research (e.g., the existence and diversity of species, weather patterns, moral cognition, illness, etc.). Research in the cognitive sciences have shown that people are inclined to infer agency and that they are very trusting of their elders during their youth and will quite readily take in a certain range of religious stories (for information on what sorts of things make a religious story memorable, believable and persistent, see Pascal Boyer’s Religion Explained). And now on top of this it has been found that a known chemical compound can inspire religious experience.

The case against religion is getting more and more comprehensive. There’s the insufficiency of the arguments for belief. There’s the cognitive basis for the formation of the beliefs. Then there’s the fact that spiritual-type experiences are brought about by a host of religious and secular practices. And we now have scientific evidence for the provocation of religious experience using drugs. Furthermore, we’re in the process of learning about how spiritual experiences can be created at the level of the brain.

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23 Responses to “Magic mushrooms inspire ‘spiritual’ experiences. The role of this finding in assessing the claims of organized religion.”
  1. some guy says:

    Mushrooms are good for you.

  2. Myself says:

    I havent read the whole thing its boring, but its obvious you have never taken magic mushrooms before, if this is correct then how the fuck can you comment on how they could affect an entire religion? most of which dont condone the use of drugs anyway.

  3. ronbrown says:

    Myself:

    No, I haven’t taken them. I very much want to and hope to soon.

    How could it affect an entire religion? By undermining the perceived genuineness of spiritual experiences because they can just be generated by using a drug. And they can be generated in people of all different faiths. Moreover, atheistic “spiritual” experiences can be generated in nonbelievers. I’d perceive this is a threat.

    Moreover, I have heard that the region where some of the gospel writers lived were rich in mushrooms. It is quite possible that Christianity may have some of its roots in mushroom induced delusions. I claim no certainty as to this, however. I’m simply saying that I have heard that the region was known to be rich in mushrooms and apparently some of the NT sections read like a mushroom trip. But this is all hearsay.

  4. Paul Bureau says:

    Ron:

    Fantastic and well thought out argument. Boring only for those not versed in religious IDEAS. And you are right, religion is largely parochial, cultural, and based on ignorance (the IGNORANT believer — even on mushrooms — will see what they are expecting to see). HOWEVER, YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER DONE MUSHROOMS. ALL RELIGIOUS, CULTURAL, AND INTELLECTUAL REFFERENTS DISOLVE IN THE REALM OF THE MUSHROOM EXPERIENCE. YOU SAY GOD AND RELIGION – I SAY SEMANTICS. IN THE INEFFABLE REALITY — HUMANS PONDERING REALITY ARE LIKE A DOG PONDERING PHYSICS — THE CIRCUMLOCUTION OF THE HUMAN MIND PRECLUDES THE HUMAN THOUGHT PROCESS FROM UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS OUTSIDE THE DUALISTIC MIND. BUT THAT INEFFABLE THING WHICH IS EXPERIENCED UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF MUSHROOMS IS ONLY KNOWN TO INITIATES — AND AS FOOLISHLY AS IT IS SOMETIMES EXPLAINED (AS ARE ALL THINGS MISUNDERSTOOD) — ITS VALIDITY AND WORTH ARE NOT ONLY IMMEASUREABLE, BUT VITAL TO THE SURVIVAL AND EVOLUTION OF THE HUMAN BEING.
    THINK OF A 16TH CENTURY SCHOLAR MAKING THE LOGICALLY CORRECT ARGUMENT THAT TELEVISION, RADIO, COMPUTERS ARE IMPOSSIBLE. WHO WOULD UNDERSTAND THE MERE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH INVENTIONS AT THAT TIME OR FOR THAT MATTER 150 YEARS AGO? NOTHING ARGUED WITH WORDS PROVES ANYTHING. YOU ARE A BARKING DOG UNAWARE OF THE SCIENCE OF YOUR BONES. YOUR ARGUMENT, WHILE LOCICALLY CONSTRUCTED HAS NO BEARING ON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE NE PLUS ULTRA. THAT WHICH CAN BE SPOKEN CAN NOT APPROACH THE TRUTH!

  5. jay says:

    No one knows for certain whats after life, that is where faith comes in. some people have it some don’t. experience is everything. EXPERIENCE is everything. if you have not experienced mushrooms then you simply have no clue what the experiences means. just because there is no proof does not mean something is untrue. Some things are true weather you believe them or not, and somethings are not true weather you believe them or not. Truths are seen and realized from certain point of views in life. the world is not divided between people who know and people who do not know, good people and evil people, right or wrong. we all make choices and that determines who we are. but one thing that always seems true is Love.

  6. seth says:

    I don’t think its up to anyone to judge someone who’s people, culture, family etc has been doing something for longer than you could even trace their’s back. People have been eating mushrooms for thousands of years and have used them for religious means. Just because people like to trip for the fun of it doesn’t mean they don’t have religious properties to them.

  7. Stevie Ray says:

    Hello Ron…

    Trips are now being scheduled as a very impressive psych-therapy…in major U’s…see discovery mag.

    Read J. Campbell if you REALLY want to know the myths, and
    the ancient folks who were the orginial druggies.

    We don’t need to be told what to do by the media, or our mommies and daddies…

    Someone saw a burning bush once…but it wasn’t Moses…because he never did exist. The Moses stories are actually Isareli primitive plagerisms of the Persian King Sargon….

    Religions are now the ossfied bastions of Ignorance.
    Stay away from them. Create your own system.

    William Blake: I must create my own system or be enslaved by anothers…

    Oh Yeah!

    See Joseph Campbell on creative mythos…and then go roll your own…

    Very few people know that DNA was discovered by a guy on LSD. Google it…I dares ya! We now know that DNA is
    what makes all creatures ONE and an endless series of
    related individuals…

    Remote Viewing studies are pretty interesting also…

    To Infinity…and BEYOND…Buzz Lightyear from the TOYS movie…hahaha….

    have a great life!

  8. Dylon says:

    I have done magic mushrooms 3 times in my life, the first two I had mild psychadelic hallucinations and hightened mental processes (I more easily understood concepts).
    I recently did mushrooms a third time with a friend and we both experienced something neither of us has experienced, and I had never heard of, our minds were one, we could feel what the other was feeling and see what the other was seeing, with no physical contact. Then while in this state we were shown the universe by what we percieved to be a spirit, and it showed us the mysteries of the universe, the most significant for me personally was what happens after death.
    What my friend and I were shown may be a manifestation of our own beliefs intensified by the mushroom trip. (neither of us believes in god) and I never believed in an afterlife until this experience. My friend and I discussed it and we both experienced EXACTLY THE SAME visions and feelings.
    I will now attempt to exlpain what we were shown :
    We saw the universe from a Omnicient point of view, it was more of a feeling than it was a vision. We felt the universe and saw flashes of events and concepts. What we came to understand was that the universe does not end or begin it is a contiuous loop of matter and this matter is continually “popping” in and out of existence. This “popping” is a form of incredibly rapid vibration, which we interpreted as the reason for “vibes” during a mushroom trip. Also since time and the universe does not end and the fact that matter cannot be destroyed, we came to understand that conciousness is a spirit within the physical form. When the physical form ages to the point of its innevitable end or is ended by an external force, the spirit continues on and is reborn into another physical form and because the new physical form cannot possibly remember the experiences of the last, the spirit is unable to remember its past “lives”. We also experienced enlightenment in various government conspiracies, religious orders and things of that nature related to what we had been shown. The entire event seemed to take about 30 seconds, but the witness present to our experience told us it must have been instantaneous because he observed no period of strange behavior except for the change of expression on our faces after the experience ended for us. Then after the experience the witness told me that his house was haunted (the experience took place within the witness’ room in the house) and that he had pictures of it, I was alarmed by this because I had no prior knowledge of this spirit. My friend and I immediately broke down into tears because of the overwhelming flow of information we had recieved and the apparent merger of our conciousness’.
    I would like to state that before this experience I had no religion and no beliefs of any kind except for those of science, theory and physical evidence. I believed that conciousness was nothing more than electrical impulses and chemical reactions taking place within the brain. But this experience changed my life, so I am struggling to understand what to believe. I first thought that the mushrooms simply intensified my beliefs but I never believed in spirits, souls or what have you. So I am left with the conclusion that something divine has taken place.
    I am curious to discover more about what happend to my friend and I, and can go into much greater detail about the experience. Any readers wishing to contact me for discussion please feel free to ask for my e-mail. So far I have yet to discover an instance of simultaneous enlightenment as we experienced. I am looking for answers and welcome those who think they can help me or wish to discuss this phenomonon.

    • jason gormley says:

      i ‘d like to talk to you about it

    • Michael Raphael says:

      my good man 🙂 i have recently tried shrooms for the third time and may i say i understand all you have said and can relate to your experiences. me and my good friend became so connected when we were trippin together our consciousness also became one. we could talk internally amongst ourselves having whole conversations. i had to stop at one point and talk to my other friend who hadn’t eaten shrooms to ensure the events were really happening. it was phenomenal!!! i have always been a strong believer in the divine, the almighty being in the universe, whatever you may choose to call it. some say it is just the whole divine energy of the universe, the cosmic force that holds all things together. the divine, it connects us all. i have a strong belief that our souls operate on something of a similar level. I think our minds can connect to this other state of being, beyond this material world we take in via our senses. perhaps the shrooms created on this earth, are some type of spiritual release. letting our mind be free from this world of meaningless hate and stress, to let us see the true joys of life. perhaps the shrooms may have been put here for us to take for this specific purpose? wouldn’t it be a better world where the people of earth all truly understand, share, and love each and every atom of life? i know i will definitely be doing some more studies into shrooms and the forces they unleash. always spread the word of peace and love. and now shrooms 😀

    • Talon says:

      You should look into the ‘Third Eye’ spiritual beliefs if you haven’t done so already. This trip sounds like some meditation experiences I’ve read and heard about.

      Peace!

    • Dyun says:

      I would also like to talk to you about your experience. I’m so happy I’ve found this article so that I could read your reply. I had a VERY similar experience to yours, and would love your opinion/feedback on it. I know my reply is three years late, but if you’re still around, please let me know. Thanks.

  9. Daniel says:

    What is your email Dylon?

  10. Brian Cain says:

    Ive eaten magic mushrooms over 30 imes and tripped on Lsd over 15 times, They say 6 hits of acid makes you completely insane, but i used to not even pay attentioon now after Feeling what Ive felt and Seeing what Ive seen and feeliin gways that are hardly even describable Ive recently had the sudden urge to learn as much about this world and they sky and the solar system as possible. I definately do reccomend taking Lsd and or mushrooms if yuo ant to be able to use your body and your mind and briain to their fulest potential and Do anything you believe is possible. You could Honestly acquire, anyhing you want and do anything you wan with yourself. Its your life. Live, Love Life, Enjoy it, it is yours and i could be the only one you get so do everything ou can to your fullest potential and it will resort to absolute happiness. PEACE ON EARTH. Smoke weed. Take care of your self. remember to much of anything has its ups and downs. and mistakes are there to teach you, mistakes are to learn from to perfect everyhing. be aware of your surroundings and observe them. You can do anything you put YOUR MIND TO, as long as you believe in yourself, and dont worry about negative outcome, Negativity is an obstactle. Dont Dwell over eelings, Forget about the bad, remember the good, I promise you will be completely successful in whatever you wanna do. Learn What they learned Know what they knew. Research aristotle, and Einstiene and some of the other famous ancient historians, philosiphers and physicians, mathmeticians, scientists and historians. Learn everything you can learn. The more you realize you know, the more you realize you dont know.-Brian M. Cain February 24th, 2009, Born September 9th, 1991.

  11. Martin says:

    youre a fuckin prick – just eat your shrooms and stop talking shite and relating them to fuckin religion…cunt

  12. holly says:

    HEy martin if you took the time to think like a normal human being and kept an open mind then you could see the truth but your so busy puttin others down your f**ckin blind………………………..by the way Brian Cane i agree 100% with you on shrooms and religion mushrooms can definetly open up your eyes and take you into a spiritual trip that could help you out in the long run……but i personally like ecstasy because its even deeper…..but i would prefer everyone to take shrooms atleast once a month dont stress on trying to get them it all happens at the right time they really do have a mind of their own and will find you when they want to….smoke weed every now and again and live your life through the word of god!!!love you all……………….ohh and bye the way Brian my name is holly lou jah..^_^ and i was born sept 8th 1991….have a nice day…*_*

  13. scarlett says:

    i tripped shrooms for the first time ever about a week ago . . . . i had tripped before(using LSD) i def think that people are all different when it comes to trips i had a totally emotional and spiritual experience and loved every minute of it i had such strong emotion i litterally cried for 3 hours straight.. it was pure euphoria i juat wanted to be outside….i felt whole i realized some things that i have always wanted to understand it was that nothing else mattered no stress …i felt like i finally figured myself out.. i loved it and i do believe i will use it as a recreational drug about once a month… smoke weed daily 🙂 keep the peace …take a trip!

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  15. GEORGIE WASHINGTON says:

    Listen Sheeple,

    I stand for the constitution of the United States of America, I stand FOR GOD as you call him.
    FYI if anyone is religious reading this research his (“God’s”) real name is.. its amazing.. speak to him in his ancient hebrew name.. he likes it more, then “God” same with Jesus.. that is not his real name either.. but they do respond to it… kinda like giving your dad a nickname.. its not his real name its just a nickname..

    ….I forgive you for you do not know what you are doing…..

    I believe in who you call “God” but also the Constitution of the United States of America/ Bill of RIghts that states every American is free to do as they please providing it does not interfere with another s freedom to do as they please.

    So according to the Constitution……ALONE……….. ANY AMERICAN IS ALLOWED TO DO WHAT EVER THEY WANT PROVIDING IT DOES NOT HARM ANYONE ELTS…. END OF THE STORY.

    you guys want to get together and talk about weather or not shrooms do this or that and if they should or shouldnt be allowed…

    DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND OR IS EVERYONE STILL SLEEPING?

    IF YOU ARE AMERICAN YOU ARE FOR THE CONSTITUTION, IF YOU ARE NOT YOU, ARE A TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND WHAT IT WAS BUILT OFF OF.

    THE FREEDOM TO DO AS ONE PLEASES IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS BUILT OFFFFF OF!!!!

    So me having to sit and listen to people bash what I believe in, Doesn’t give me the right to kill you or those who oppose me…, why? because of your rights guaranteed by the constitution.. and because this is not North Korea where you can be killed for saying the wrong things, or doing the wrong thing..

    We live in AMERICA WHERE PEOPLE DIED, TO CLAIM FREEDOM! EITHER STAND UP FOR IT ALL, EVEN WHAT U DONT LIKE….. OR GO THE ROAD OF NAZI GERMANY AND LOSE EVERYTHING!!!! I am NOT FOR HARD DRUG USE, I AM NOT FOR HARD USE OF ANYTHING, BECAUSE TO MUCH OF anything MAKES YOU A ADDICT…….

    GET YOUR FUCKING MINDS RIGHT, GET YOUR ASS OFF THE T.V. AND GET IT INTO BOOKS. DON’T BE A SLAVE, AND STOP LIVING THE AMERICAN DREAM…. WHY? BECAUSE ITS ONLLYYY A DREAM.. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND REALIZE THAT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO NOT ALLOW SOMEONE TO EXERCISE THERE FREEDOMS, WEATHER TAKING SHROOMS OR DOING SOME CRACK OR COCAINE, while not harming a single soul but there own (( I AM NOT FOR CRACK OR COCAINE BTW )) THEN YOU ARE INFRINGING ON ANOTHER AMERICANS RIGHTS TO FREEDOM…

    AS SOME HAVE SAID, WE ARE ALL CONNECTED THROUGH THE CHAIN-LINKED FENCE IN SOME WAY.. SO IF THEY LOSE.. YOU AND YOURS YOU LOVE WILL LOSE TOO… SO STAND UP AND BEFORE FREEDOM, NOT FOR BEING A FUCKING HITLER!!! AND TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO.. BECAUSE I DON’T GIVE A FUCK WHAT ANYONE SAYS, BECAUSE OF THAT PRETTY PIECE OF PAPER THAT SOME WOULD CALL IT, GUARANTEES ME MYYYYYYYYYYYYY FREEDOM AND NOT A SINGLE MOTHERFUCKER IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY IF I CAN STOP IT.. ONLY WHAT YOU GUYS CALL “GOD” CAN.. ..

    DID THE MEN WHO LINED UP TO FIGHT THE BRITISH SAY (( “OH I THINK WE WILL STAND ONLY FOR WHAT, WE SAY IS FREEDOM” OH I FORGOT GEORGIE WASHINGTON GREW ACRES FILLED WITH MARIJUANA, HE GREW SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS BECAUSE OF THE BENEFIT IT HAD ON THE BODY WAS A TRUE MIRACLE DRUG, FYI EVERY DRUG WAS LEGAL BACK THEN AND THEY HAD FAR LESS DRUG ADDICTS WITH IT BEING READILY AVAILABLE, you probably cannot understand simple “SUPPLY and DEMAND” IT AMAZES ME THAT SOME PEOPLE WANT TO TRY AND DEBUNK THE WHOLE RELIGIOUS SHIT, INSTEAD OF RESEARCHING HOW FAR AWAY THIS COUNTRY IS FROM THE CONSTITUTION, THEY WANT TO KEEP YOU GUYS FIGHTING OVER WEATHER GOD IS ALIVE OR NOT OR WHO WON THE FOOTBALL GAME, OR IF YOUR FAVORITE SINGER WILL WIN AMERICAN IDOL.

    INSTEAD OF BEING FOCUSED ON YOUR COUNTRIES WELL BEING,

    READ THE NDAA 2012 OBAMA SIGNED ON THE FIRST OF 2012 AND SAYS IN THE BILL ANY AMERICANS DUE PROCESS RIGHTS UNDER THE NDAA 2012 CHAPTER 1024 & 1022 ARE NOW GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO IF YOU GET PULLED OVER AND THROWN IN JAIL YOU COULD NEVER SEE A JUDGE AND GET OUT OF JAIL….. READ THE FUCKING BILL, INSTEAD OF ARGUING ABOUT GOD, ARGUE ABOUT WHY OUR FREEDOMS UNDER THE PATRIOT ACT ARE ALSO GONE. OH WAIT,………………YOU MUST THINK THAT A DUI CHECKPOINT IS CONSTITUTIONAL ALSO!!!! AND PEOPLE READING YOUR EMAIL, TEXT’S, PHONE CALLS LISTENED 2 IS ALSO CONSTITUTIONAL,….YOU MUST ALSO THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TAKE OTHERS PEOPLE HARD EEARNED SWEEEEETTTT AND BLOOD’S MONEY, AND NOT HAVE TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR PARENTS HOUSE.. AND WORK HARD FOR WHAT YOU WANT… I SEE TO MANY PEOPLE DEPENDED ON FALSE REALITIES IT MAKES ME SICK….

    KEEP LIVING YOUR LIFE WITH YOUR TIN FOIL HATS, WHILE YOU KIDS ARGUE ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN ALL PROVE, I, AM EDUCATING PEOPLE ON SHIT THAT MATTERS.. LIKE OUR COUNTRIES WRECKED STATE ITS BEEN IN SINCE JFK WAS BLOWN AWAY FOR THINGS YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW… LOOK UP HIS SPEECH ABOUT “SECRET SOCIETIES” HE GAVE A MONTH BEFORE HIS HEAD WAS POPPED LIKE A MELON.. YOU MUST BELIEVE THAT LEE HARVEY OSWALT WAS A LONE GUN MEN TOO… LMAO EXPERTS TODAY STILL CANNOT FIRE THAT SAME WEAPON THAT HARVEY ALLEGEDLY USED AT THE SPEED HARVEY SUPPOSEDLY SHOT JFK WITH… YOUR MAGIC BULLET THEORY IS A JOKE..

    FACTS STILL STAND, WHILE YOU GUYS MEASURE YOUR DICKS AND CLITS,
    NONE OF YOU STOP TO LOOK AROUND AND SEE YOUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS ARE
    BURNING DOWN!!!

    LAST THING… YOU EVER HEAR THAT MOTTO— HISTORY IS REPEATES ITS SELF IF ITS NOT LEARNED FROM..

    LOOK UP THE HISTORY AND STUDY ALL THE TYRANNICAL DICTATORS AND LOOK AT THE STEPS THEY USED ON THERE COUNTRIES..

    IF YOU DO NOT DO YOUR PART IT WILL BE NAZI AMERICA, YOUR LITTLE DUI CHECKPOINTS WILL TURN INTO EVERYDAY THINGS…

    AND WHEN THEY RFID CHIP YOUR ASS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE YOU, YOU ARE FUCKED!

    THEN IT WILL BE THE CONCENTRATION CAMP STAGE…

    HOW FAR ARE YOU SHEEPLE WILLING TO GO.. REMEMBER …
    IF ONE OF US LOSE.. IN AMERICA, WE ALL WILL LOSE…

    ALBERT PIKE PREDICTED 3 WORLD WARS IN 1871… HE WAS IN THE ILLUMINATI

    TUPAC WAS KILLED FOR SPEAKING OF KILLING THE ILLUMINATI.

    GEORGE WASHINGTON WAS SENT LETTERS THATS ABOUT HOW THEY TOOK OVER EUROPE. LOOK UP THE LETTERS…

    GOOGLE THAT SHIT!!! and then argue about that!!!!

    you are to scared to think that your mind is owned by the shit you see on your screen or image, you are to scared to believe the illuminati exist… instead your bodies will be counted like sheep.. as they drop you while you stand and sleep..

    LAST NOTE.. WHEN THE GUNS ARE TAKEN AWAY FROM FREE AMERICANS THEN THE BLOODSHED WILL BEGIN… LIKE WHAT HITLER DID WHEN HE TOOK HIS PEOPLE GUNS AWAY…

    A FOUNDER OF THE UNITED STATES SAID ONCE,

    “HOW DO YOU KNOW A COUNTRY IS FREE?”

    “YOU KNOW YOU ARE AMONGST FREE MEN AND WOMEN WHEN THE PEOPLE CAN BARE ARMS”

    only FREE MEN AND WOMEN CAN BARE ARMS AND DO AS THEY PLEASE.. SO FAR MOST OF YOUR BILL OF RIGHTS ARE GONE, AND OBAMA IS ON RECORD SAYING HE WILL GET AMERICANS GUNS… I AM NOT FOR OBAMA OR MITT ROMMNEY OR ANY RUNNING PUPPET…..OH WAIT YOU THINK STILL THAT THE PRESIDENT CALLS THE SHOTS.. LMAO..

    PRESIDENTS IN AMERICA ARE NOT ELECTED, THEY ARE SELECTED -ROCKERFELLER

    I DO NOT AGREE WITH VIOLENCE BUT DID THE FOUNDING FATHERS WIN THERE FREEDOM WITH A CHESS GAME, OR WITH A REVOLUTION THAT HAD ALOT OF BLOOD SPILLED IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM…

    I AM FOR A PASSIVE APPROACH LIKE WAKING PEOPLE UP TO THE FACTS THAT CAN BE PROVED… JUST BECAUSE WHAT US AWAKE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, ISNT ON UR TV DOESN’T MEAN ITS NOT REAL..

    I DARE YOU, YOU THAT HAS READ THIS FAR…

    RESEARCH WITH YOUR OWN SELF WHAT I HAVE SAID!!

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