I keep preaching Fair Game because I have nothing else to complain about?
Posted by: RB on: May 5, 2008
I’ve been having an email discussion with the person who runs http://scientologymyths.wordpress.com, a pro-Scientology site by a Scientologist (”Louanne”) that pays shallow and transparent lip-service to neutrality. The things she are saying are just ridiculous. After writing off numerous cases against Scientology – e.g., the case against Scientology in Belgium, Bob Minton, Gregg Hagglund, the nature of OSA – basically just saying that all of these cases are false, that their perpetrators have zero evidence and are just doing it for money (even if they’re already rich and there are far better and safer ways to get paid) or attention (even though any attention they get runs the risk of drawing Black PR from Scientology along with further brutal abuse), she says the following:
“You keep on preaching “Fair Game” because you have nothing else to complain about.”
What?! Fair Game is OFFICIAL “CHURCH” OF SCIENTOLOGY POLICY written by Hubbard and STILL IN PRACTICE TODAY which states that anyone deemed to be an enemy of the “Church” can be LIED TO, TRICKED, SUED OR *DESTROYED*!
Since when is official “Church” policy that all active dissenters can be destroyed a trivial matter that one only brings up repeatedly because they supposedly have “nothing else to complain about”. It seems to me that a neutral info source on Scientology would at least concede this.
I wonder if this is the sort of thing that Louanne joined Scientology for – to demonize and support the destruction of anyone who stands against the practices of her cult. Or maybe she was brainwashed since childhood by Scientologist parents.
For more on Scientology, click here and/or go to Xenu.Net (i.e., both of which, Louanne would probably call hate-links).
And of course, if you feel like complaining but have run out of ideas, do not forget about Operation: FairGameStop on Saturday!
16 Responses to "I keep preaching Fair Game because I have nothing else to complain about?"
May 6, 2008 at 12:10 am
Louanne:
Yes, I’m just one big hate-monger, Louanne. I use real evidence to show that a dangerous cult is a dangerous cult. You use yawns and contentless replies as your means of rational discourse.
May 6, 2008 at 12:13 am
Question, Louanne:
How come in your description of Fair Game, you don’t even give the L. Ron Hubbard Fair Game Law specification which says that a declared church enemy (or SP) can be tricked, sued, lied to, deprived of property, injured or destroyed without consequence to the Scientologist culprit? Probably because this directly contradicts your BS claim that the noble church is simply using legal means to defend itself.
Is this what you got into Scientology for? To be dishonest and blatantly one-sided? And to spread hate toward an opposition that is actually criticizing the cult based on fact?
May 6, 2008 at 11:26 am
You are expecting me to answer you on this personal attack?
Nope, I won’t feed the troll.
Get back to me when you are ready.
- Louanne
May 6, 2008 at 12:19 pm
PS: How come you’re not confronting and shattering my suppression? You’re just making excuses.
Louanne, c’mon! I’m an SP if you’ve ever seen one! I’ve posted negatively (and truthfully) on Scientology 112 times since mid-February, I go to protests and encourage others to go, and my blog is read by about 1000 visitors a day.
Can you really afford to not apply the tech on me?
May 6, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Ron, by not feeding the troll, you’ve called her a troll 
I do enjoy how Louanne has gone from ‘Neutral’ to ‘Pro Defense’ in record time… well actually I’ve likely seen quicker transformations, however the point remains that Louanne seems more eager to attack your credibility, then present rational arguments.
Let us hope this changes, for the sake of critical analysis.
May 6, 2008 at 1:02 pm
It probably won’t change though. Scientology doesn’t teach you how to think. It teaches you how to “think”, which basically means teaching you how to think once you’ve accepted as one of your axioms that LRH and Scientology are infallible and of the highest ethics, no matter what.
Y’know what I love about indoctrinated Scientologists: They’re steady. You know where they stand. They’ll believe the same thing on Wednesday that they were told on Monday, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON TUESDAY!
May 6, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Ha!
I always thought of the really tough one’s being Scientology’s “Grunt Troops”… World War One Cannon Fodder Types.
May 6, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Lou, in what way was this a personal attack? I’d say it’s quite a reasonable question; it seems odd to discuss the Fair Game policy without even giving the text of that policy.
May 6, 2008 at 7:36 pm
It’s a personal attack because it’s an attack on her personal beliefs, obviously! Plus, by contradicting a claim she made, he’s calling her a liar, which is certainly a defamatory claim.
If someone says I’m wrong, that attacks my self esteem, because I know that I’m never wrong. I avoid the problem by sticking my fingers in my ears and shouting “La la la, I can’t hear you.” until the person goes away, but obviously on the internet you need more sophisticated methods of argumentation. I’ll have to remember about accusing the person of trolling.
May 8, 2008 at 11:13 am
From Wikipedia “The Hilarious Online Pseudo-Democratic Encyclopedia”
A troll is a fearsome member of a mythical race from Norse mythology.
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I always knew Scientology = Nordic Mythology
May 8, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Ok, I try this again, read slowly so you understand better:
Fair Game: The most common and probably the most devastating manifestation of this tactic is the use of allegations concerning the so-called “Fair Game” policy of the Church. The term “Fair Game” has been misrepresented and repeatedly used by the Church’s litigation adversaries as a means to create prejudice against the Church. To accomplish that end, counsel fashions a declaration in which the witness identifies an ugly event — real, imagined, or just plain invented — and then alleges that it was a deliberate act which was committed by the Church. The idea is to create the false impression that the Church is committing acts of retribution in pursuit of “Fair Game.”
A central element of exploiting the “Fair Game” tactic is to make certain that the allegations are crafted so they cannot be objectively disproved. In other words, the declarant makes an allegation of a bad or harmful or harassing act that cannot be documented in a tangible form and then alleges that it was done by the Church pursuant to the Fair Game “policy”. By so doing, the declarant has put the Church in the impossible position of trying to prove a negative and trying to prove it without documentation. It becomes a matter of the declarant’s word against that of the Church, and by making the act alleged sufficiently despicable, the result is prejudice against the Church.
That’s what’s happening.
- Louanne
May 8, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Louanne:
I received your email in which you discussed this point and will definitely be looking into this matter further.
However, in the meantime, I ask you this: How do you consider the Fair Game statement an ethical statement under any construal? It still says quite clearly that SPs can be deprived of property, tricked, sued, lied to, injured or destroyed. How exactly is this ethical? And also, how the fuck does an organization with this official policy engage in criticizing psychiatry? Lastly, how do you claim that it was cancelled beyond a simple cancelation in name? Even in its cancelation it is stated that the cancelation does not change how SPs are to be handled.
May 10, 2008 at 9:13 am
“Ring around the rosy, pocketful of posies, ashes, ashes, we all fall down.”
That is certainly not what is happening. But it isn’t my place to go into great detail, I will continue to observe and lighten the atmosphere as best I can.
Hopefully all these former Scientology members will sit down together and write a book so I can read it.
I’m sure it will be more of a fun read than “Dianetics” was… for a science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard sure did suck a lot of ass.
July 29, 2008 at 9:20 pm
crimesofscientology.wordpress.com, Luoanne.
did u know the “Church is responsible for the largest government infiltration in US history? or is that “trivial” too?
Scientology can’t win against a bunch of internet pranksters-turned-activists. Its sad really.
May 5, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Yawn. You’ve just proven once more that your agenda is to push hatred against Scientology. You should back to the blog once you are mature enough for an intellectual exchange of information.
Bye for now,
- Louanne
PS: http://www.scientologymyths.info/fair-game/ for more insight on what “Ron Brown” is talking about.