7chan accuses Cult of Scientology of attacking Epilepsy forum
March 30, 2008 — L. Ron BrownFrom 7chan:
I would just like to discuss this nasty business about a terrible raid on a forum for the poor people who suffer from epilepsy. What happened there was terrible, and we feel deeply sorry for those affected.
Users of this site did not actually attack those individuals. The Church of Scientology posted numerous threads across many *chan sites, and then informed people that Anonymous had been attacking victims of epilepsy. They did this under their “fair game” policy, to ruin the public opinion of Anonymous, to lessen the effect of their lawful protests against their virulent organization.
I must say, it is disgusting that the CoS is willing to drag innocent people down with them, in an attempt to save themselves. How could anyone be a willing participant in their terrible organization?
Sadly, none of our staff were online at the time of the thread’s posting, so we were unable to take it down.
We are truly and deeply sorry for what happened to these innocent people,
Thank you for your time spent reading this apology,
The Administration and Staff of 7chan.org
According to an article on Wired, the forum raids included the submission of posts designed to trigger epileptic seizures using flashing images. There have been reports of mild seizures and migraine headaches by forum visitors.
For more on Scientology, click here.
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Addendum (1 AM, April 5, 2008):
It may very well be the case that these dispicable antics were carried out not by Scientologists but by OldNons. What are OldNons? Some background. Anonymous did not start in January with the famous Message to Scientology video that foreshadowed the denial of service attacks on the Scientology website, and the many prank phone calls, faxes and emails. Anonymous existed as a loosely structured anonymous community of Internet users on online forums. Anonymous had been around long before the Scientology protests. Anonymous has never had a governing body. It has always simply been a community where anyone could join in to exchange ideas, jokes, silly things, pull pranks (some of which went too far), and so on. Each Anon’s behaviour was self-determined. Anonymous has always been an ararchistic online social community with only a few rules: everyone must be anonymous (no names or nicknames; the reasons for this include the desire for ideas to be evaluated based on their content, not on their source, and so that people could feel more free to truly speak what they were thinking); no child porn. The Scientology activism actually grew out of a specific project developed by a few Anons in a user group (4chan). The project entailed bringing down Scientology’s website, flooding it with prank calls, emails and faxes, and hopefully bringing down the entire enterprise through these means. Unexpectedly, the Anons came across long-time Scientology protesters (most notably Mark Bunker, or “Wise Beard Man” as the New Anonymous community (i.e., those protesting Scientology who may or may not be affiliated with Oldnonymous) has dubbed him), who shared a few things with them: 1) Info showing that Scientology was much worse than they had thought; 2) For their own good and the good of the movement against Scientology’s criminalism, the protesters need to stop by the digital vigilante-ism and start grassroots protests). The Anons attacking Scientology heeded Bunker’s advice and also became more committed to the protest when they learned of more of the horrible things the cult was doing. As the NewNon group formed and info on Scientology’s crimes spread, NewNonymous grew to what it is today.
The emergence of NewNonymous has frustrated some of the OldNons. They feel that Anonymous has been hijacked. And to be fair, it has. The Anonymous name, logo, memes, slogans, and really just about as much of its culture as could be taken to the streets has been co-opted by NewNonymous in their protest of Scientology. Frustrated by this, some have claimed that some OldNons are actively trying to sabotage NewNonymous. This attack of the epilepsy forum may have been an act of sabotage on NewNonymous. Alternatively - and perhaps more probably - it may simply have been a group of Anonymous community members going for a rather twisted brand of LULZ. Recall that the conduct of individual Anons is self-determined. However, one could ask: Could the administrator of the forum have stopped this on time? This is an open question.
March 30, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Anonymous did it. There is the start of a civil war within Anon. The oldnon consider the newnon to be destroying the culture of anon. they would rather destroy anon than see it taken over by newfags.
March 30, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Oh man. I’m one of the protesters against the Church of Scientology, and I really don’t understand how people could be blaming Anonymous for this thing. Scientology is against its members taking medication to stop them from getting seizures, for example, Tory “Magoo” Christman
Jocelyn Dorfmann died from an epileptic seizure in Scientology care in France.
Heribert Pfaff died from an epileptic seizure in a Scientology hotel in Clearwater.
James Stewart committed suicide after CoS put in him in a Condition of Doubt for having epileptic seizures in public.
March 30, 2008 at 8:01 pm
lol wut? $ciefags trying to hack boards? bad joke.
March 30, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Check out the other posts here. Lately ALMOST EVERY POST has been about Scientology!
I love it.
Even though your intent is to oppose it, you’re actually just as obsessed with Scientology as everyone else. The “Anonymous” dupes are actually literally ADDICTED to Scientology and they can’t get away from it. In their zeal to oppose Scientology, they actually study Scn documents more than Scientologists! The names, the terms, the concepts, the tech - it’s all part of your mindset now.
That you THINK you oppose it and hate it right now is irrelevant, you’ll grow out of that someday. All that matters right now is that LRH, even from beyond the grave, succeeded in getting HIS basic ideas and concepts into all of YOUR heads.
Thanks for playing!
March 30, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Hey Mento, good old JC has done that for 2000 years…LRH is just a blip on the radar compared to Him.
March 31, 2008 at 12:16 am
Damn. I understand and have read up on Hitler’s ideas. I guess, by Mento’s logic, that means Hitler was a great man?
LRH was a delusional, hypocritical con-man and nothing else.
March 31, 2008 at 9:18 am
It’s doubtful that Elron was delusional - just deeply dishonest.
March 31, 2008 at 9:19 am
Besides, if you’re reading scientology documents without paying the church its fee, I’m pretty sure that’s tantamount to an act of terrorism by their standards.
March 31, 2008 at 10:10 am
Mento:
Yeah, that was extremely weak. Where’s your critical thinking?
Whether I like it or not, LRH created a dangerous international cult. That’s just reality, and I’m comfortable admitting it. Given that I’ve admitted it, my next step was to oppose its illegal and unethical activities. I am doing this by helping to spread awareness of these activities and encouraging more and more people to protest and to continue protesting. It is people like *me* who are helping to keep Scientology on the front burner. It is people like me who are helping to keep protesters from getting bored or losing their conviction. And it is people like me who are making more and more people aware that the Cult of Scientology is more than just weird, kooky, paranoid, and frivolously litigious. It is downright dangerous. And you can try to spin this issue around and focus it on me—trying to say that I’m obsessed with Scientology (as if it were a bad thing to become temporarily fixated on getting society to oppose the clear-cut enemy to humanity that this cult is run to be), or whatever—but that does not change the fact that this is a dangerous unethical criminal cult that we are dealing with here.
March 31, 2008 at 10:24 am
Hmmm…by Mento’s logic, oncologists have all subconsciously been duped by cancer’s agenda.
March 31, 2008 at 10:52 am
What Are We Talking bout?
March 31, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Does it really matter? Anonymous isn’t some kind of group, anyone can be a part of it. It would be like saying New Yorkers attacked x or white people attacked y. It is just a label for people who wish to be anonymous online.
April 19, 2008 at 4:57 am
I think the important thing is that we make a divide between these two kinds of Anonymous. This article calls them the “OldNon” and the “NewNon”. This is not a good divide. I am a protester, but I’ve been with Anonymous for four years now. There are many more oldbies out there.
A better divide that is to be made would be the moralfags and the /i/nsurgents. The reason I am not a part of the /i/nsurgents is exactly because of shit like this. Attacking innocent people was never even part of Anonymous. Anonymous had a hive mind, but even within its hive mind it had its unwritten social rules.
April 19, 2008 at 3:58 pm
FrankvdWaal you’re a fucking newfag moron. You probably didn’t “join” Anonymous since the chanology rAIDS. Anonymous attacked “innocent” people all the time. We are the most despicable human beings you will find anywhere on the internet. If there’s a fetish for it, we fap to it. We are uncaring sadistic fucks that get off to the pain of others. Most of us are pedophiles as well. Betcha didn’t know that newfag? To learn more go to anonymous.on.nimp.org
May 4, 2008 at 7:02 am
I joined Anon 4 years ago. You don’t need to tell me the definition of Anonymous. We don’t attack innocents, we attack people who are asking for it. Gaiafags, Myspace users, pedophiles, white supremacists, habbo’s, anyone who is too damn stupid to be on the internet is our personal fair game.
May 20, 2008 at 11:15 pm
Can you idiots stop squabbling and take this to the streets like men?
May 21, 2008 at 6:16 am
So , are they going to make another 7chan? Or will they make another and rename it 8chan or something?
May 21, 2008 at 8:36 am
Anonymous is mob mentality. Nihilism incarnate. A cowardly, audacious, marvellous and precocious breed of destroyer that delights in leaving its prey reeling and bleeding. We want our prey to live, you see. Because it will suffer. Like a retarded human raised to adulthood by altruistic parents with altruistic intentions, refusing to comprehend the hell they’ve consigned the defective individual to with their good intentions. Except we lack the good intentions, though we might like to make the prey think we have them. Until the moment of the kill. And because the kill will hurt all the more then.
Scifags are a cancer. Newfags are a cancer. Christfags, Crimefags and Lawfags are a cancer. And we delight in exterminating said cancers.
FrankvdWaal has it right. Cancer is fair game for the killing. And Anon don’t need to be told what they are, because Anonymous congregates naturally.
We are legion. We are many, because none of us is as cruel as all of us. We are what every leming, every lapdog, every rebel and every reject of humanity would be if they shed the sum total bullshit thrust upon them from birth. We are Anonymous. We do not forgive, we do not forget; and we do it all for the lulz….
May 21, 2008 at 12:56 pm
No Frank, you are the newfags. Seriously, anonymous doesn’t do anything unless there is lulz involved. You think we don’t do shit to innocent people? You’re fucking deluded. Go back to fucking 4chan with all your myspays gaiafag freinds.
Also, enjoy your AIDS.
Also, cocks.
That is all.
May 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm
FrankvdWaal, you’re saying that Anonymous has it’s -own- “Fair Game” policy? Isn’t that saying that we’re stooping to $cientologys level? I may be a NewAnon, but I’ve been watching Scientology for five or six years. Hell, I don’t even consider myself ANY sort of Anon after hearing what you said. The original purpose to stay Anonymous is to not get in trouble. And since Anon has no leader, there is no “we”, there is only “you” and your attacks on innocent people.
Even the newly turned Scientologists are innocent.
The new Anon is about fixing what is wrong, not preying on people who like Gaia or Habbo.
The old Anon needs to get a grip and stay in the “anonymous jokes/porn/stories” section so that the new Anons can do a social justice.
May 21, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Anonymous is experiencing buildup of public individuality, which is corrosive to anon. There will be another civil war, and its end will mean mass destruction and new branches.
May 22, 2008 at 7:39 pm
lol anon does it for the lulz buddy, what sounds lulzier fuckin up a website so that we can see a bunch of people “brainwashed” people get butthurt or standing out in the cold to protest? the newfags on the street doing it for “justice” and still being a part of anon are hypocrits. i think its funny as hell sein a bunch of brainwashed people give their money to an evil corporation it was their choice. you say you do it to protect innocent people but then the same group you think you are “in” goes and posts shit on epilepsy forums with the intent on giving people seizures. ha man i dont consider myself part of anon since i just started goin on the chans but everytime im on 4chan i get bored so fuckign fast from seeing the same damn memes used over and over and if it isnt those same memes its a bunch of 13 year old attention whoring boys in anon for “justice” trying to force a meme to take credit for it
im probably a newfag but if you protestors want to do it for “justice” change your goddam name from anonymous youd be a hypocrit if you were helping innocent people and considering yourself part of anon
May 22, 2008 at 8:10 pm
i look at oldanon and see some of the funniest shit ever. its a bunch of people who are out there to bash everything. they bash christfags while simultaniously bashing atheists just for the lulz they dont give a piss about who they offend as long as they offend someone and if they dont then they just try to offend someone else i see peopl who just dont care and its great. they arent oversensitive i wouldnt be surprised if the same people who fuck with christfags are christians. people need to grow up and learn to take a joke and thats what i see in oldanon(to me its a type of justice… a sick, twisted, messed up justice and its funny as shit)
now i look at newanon and i see a bunch of dumbasses. mot of newanon is only in it for attention. i read L. Ron Brown’s post and i gaurentee “if” they finally do bring down the scifags a bunch of people who think they are in anonymous are gonna come and take the credit, its not for justice its for attention. im willing to bet that most newanons are the camwhores and attention whores on myspace and if they arent then most of them are just like them
i DO think its a good thing that someoen is trying to stop the Co$ but just dont associate with anon
May 23, 2008 at 2:18 am
So what if anon does shit like that, we’re anon, not anyone’s personal army. Epic Win is what you make of it, so if your anus tingles at the thought of punching babies then go for it. I’m with the antiscifag fags on the issue of the scifags, but just because I like big targets. This isn’t about compassion and it cannot be about compassion. If you are going to nail the scifags do it so you can see their expressions while raping their asses. If you are don’t want anything to do with it and want to make a retard spasm in front of his screen have fun with that. Both are in the spirit of anon.
However, If you are being anti scifag because you feel some form of compassion or moral duty then you do not deserve to call yourself anon. You can go to the rally, chant whatever the fuck you want to, hell, you can even pretend that you are anon and wear the silly mask and ask the scifags “do you liek thetan-kips?” But you know you are pretending and thats all that really matters. When its all over you will probably forget that you called yourself anon, just like all the other silly little phases you went through.
Those of us who are screwing with the scifags for the anon reasons know who we are. When the scifags fall or when we get bored with them we will probably turn right arround and make fun of the an heroes you are waving the posters of. You know, the ones that went batshit and pwned themselves when the scifags wouldn’t let them have their medicine.
If you newfags have a prob with this you can shove it, and that goes for you oldfagz too.
May 25, 2008 at 11:12 am
Well, although I’m against Scientology and I would love to take part in the raids. (no Scifags around me) I think that if there ever was a “riot” (protesters gone wild) that innocent Scientologists would be hurt, you have to remember. These people don’t willingly become mindless drones. The best thing we can give them is an iced cream.
May 26, 2008 at 2:47 am
Scientology will ever sattack anyone criticizing it, whethher for a good or a bad reason or motivation.That’s the evident signof its totallitarism.
Scientology is as criminal as any totalitarian systems. That’s why it should be dismantled or forbidden.
May 26, 2008 at 10:46 am
Tom Cruise said:”…. if you’re in you’re in, if you’re out you’re out. ” He made a definite distinction between two sets of people to determine ‘good’ and ‘bad’.
I am 100% in the fight against an evil organisation, and I’ll be doing what I can when I can. I suppose I cannot expect others not to tire or get bored, but this fight has been going on since Hubbard started it all in the fifties. It still isn’t won yet, and still can be lost by inattention, complacency and waning interest.
I am IN for the duration like my family was against the Nazies. Others may just like demonstrating, and I’m not going to pressure anyone to do more than they want or can.
I make myself personally responsible for my own actions as part of one individuals fight. I will help and be helped under certain circumstances tactically. All the decisions I make, I make alone. I am determined to remain anonymous, for the safety of my family and the effectiveness of the struggle. The ‘movement’ of ‘Anonymous’ warms me and encourages me. If there is some kind of change in the original movement of ‘Anonymous’ it will naturally leave behind and annoy those who wish to keep things the way they were.
But if you do your research and still do not see the vital importance of putting the death of Scientology before irresponsible fun and games, there must be something lacking in your character.
The squabble between so-called Old and New Anonymous folk is to me irrelevant. I don’t give a monkeys if the Old are annoyed because the New have nicked things from them. If they want to be petty, abusive and divisive then know that some calling themselves Anonymous are not to be relied upon. The ‘movement’ has moved on-developed-changed-renewed itself.
When these Old Anons decry and look down on the ‘new’
‘members’ of Anonymous they are diverting attention to themselves, and the criticism of ‘attention seeking’ aimed at the demonstrators should be seen as an irony which their sense of humour is unable to understand. (Some of the Old Anons appear to have fixed ideas as to what Anonmous means. Logically then - the essential fluidity of Anon’s anarchy ; leaderless, free-thinking is being corrupted by the stale old farts there, crying foul because they can no longer smoke in pubs.)
When you are dealing with the this generation of Nazies, you can’t piss just about having fun. Some posters here have the pleasure of freedom and other things which would be taken away from them should Scientology persevere. If they are annoyed they can simply call themselves something else and get out of the way. My thanks to them though, for the original name, actions and masks, which made for the surge in
May 27, 2008 at 12:29 pm
It’s “Oldfags” and “Newfags”. Where the fuck did you get this non shit?
May 29, 2008 at 11:16 am
Rosalyne, it’s not a Fair Game policy as such.
I am protesting. Not because people are suffering, (oh the humanity!) but because it’s pretty damn funny to see the Scientologists squirm, desperately trying to retake their grip on the situation. THAT is the true spirit of Anonymous. Making others kick and scream because we’re foul monsters like that.
In case of the CoS it’s justified for outsiders. In the case of, say Habbo Hotel, we never left any real damage, except a big server load and SwastiGETs in the rooms, further pissing people off.
I think Anon Rblz hit the nail on the head: It’s not about compassion. It’s about making the big guys weep. Scientology, Habbo Mods, it’s all good.
Everyone who thinks otherwise is not Anonymous and is used as mere padding to impress in numbers.
Also, lol at “Anonymous”’s May 21, 2008 / 12:56 pm comment. lern2english first before you open your pietrap, k?
May 30, 2008 at 11:21 am
FrankvdWaal
Things have developed lately and the term Anonymous is being reinterpreted, whether you like it or not. Why you think this is a perversion of the original Anonymous I don’t know. I’m also ignorant about is how much credibility you have in determining the ‘true spirit’ of Anonymous. Does your opinion have greater weight than other people who consider themselves Anonymous but with differing opinions ? How much of Anonymous ‘meaning’ is fixed and unchangeable? Who suggests change, and who combats it? No group is as loosely based as it thinks it is.
I think it’s very important for the public to know what Anonymous actually is. Those who are extremely grateful for Anonymous participation in the fight against Scientology ought to know especially if there are elements within Anonymous who are not to be relied on -simply because of the ‘philosophical’ stance like yours.
The fight against Scientology is not limited to the superficial pleasure of ‘making the big guys weep’ it’s about taking away their power and influence. If you’ve done a bit of research you’ll see how important that is. It appears though that you don’t really care.
The surprise for me from some of these posts, is the level of sado-masochistic tendencies in them. Those posters claim to be the true spirit of Anonymous, but I think sado-masochism in already in the character. Anonymous is just a way to express them.
So to lessen the confusion you could consider renaming the Anonymous you are adhering to, or you could try to persuade the ‘fake’ Anonymous to find a new name.
May 30, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I can see Scientology taken advantage of this split in the Anon ranks The cult is constantly looking for a weak spot to attack. Now they have one. L Ron’s research was less on the mind or in space than on military strategy -that is how the cult functions has always functioned. Part of this mind set establishes a system of intelligence gathering and thinks of ways to undermine the enemy.
Then it watches as the enemy turns on itself. Look at Frank standing up “I’m Anonymous” and some other poster says “No Frank, you are the newfags..” I’m Anonymous!!!! And while you are shouting, the innocent get shafted and your ‘anarchistic online social community’ penetrated . One of the greatest mistakes in warfare is to underestimate your opponent. Scientology underestimated Anonymous but NOW they know they made a mistake and are trying to rectify it by improving their tactics.
Just look at the crappy posts by Scientologists- you know straight away who one is. But can you be sure that this isn’t a clever way to lull us into a sense of security? We think we can identify one without a problem. But can you be sure that Frank isn’t one? He shows his lack of responsibility, morals and virtues in the same predictable selfish pattern as the mates of Miscavige. Have a look at the Allied intelligence services understanding and use of Black Propaganda. Hubbard did. The best type is that which does not appear to originate from the enemy.
Some members of Anonymous, thinking they are untouchable, are going to get their asses kicked. Those fools imagine they can operate in a moral vacuum without any discipline at all. In a fight they’ll be the first ally to leave your side. They can’t be trusted because their lack of morals means they can be bought. Look at what Anon Rblz Says:
May 23, 2008 at 2:18 am
So what if anon does shit like that, we’re anon, not anyone’s personal army. Epic Win is what you make of it, so if your anus tingles at the thought of punching babies then go for it.
How much did he get for saying that?
May 30, 2008 at 1:25 pm
George, Anonymous has always been the same. We’ve seen some changes, especially as of late with all the newbies dropping in. My opinion does not matter here, nor does yours. Fact is that Anonymous has always been humanity to its most brutal core. You cannot just change that.
Anonymous is a group of internet scum sitting behind their computers masturbating, weeping over it, and then throwing objects at other things or people to make them feel better. It is mankind with all impulses released. As you say, it’s sadomasochism expressed.
Sure, we help people by protesting Scientology. We don’t mind. It’s just that we don’t really care about them personally. We care about having a good laugh. You made a very interesting statement there. “The fight against Scientology is not limited to the superficial pleasure of ‘making the big guys weep’ it’s about taking away their power and influence.” This is very true. We take away their power and influence. They get desperate. They kick and scream like the pathetic fools they are. They get butthurt, we laugh.
You may have your personal reasons for protesting Scientology, because you care, but Anonymous does not. But Anonymous has been, and will always be for the lulz. I would like to reiterate that Anonymous has always raided targets that were asking for it, people who were amazing lulzcows. You are our tools. We are yours. You do us a favour by putting your heart and soul into the propaganda. We do you a favour by hurting their ego’s and fearlessly trolling the everliving hell out of them, and by walking that thin line between moral and immoral; legal and illegal. Anonymous like gray. (Ab)use it like we abuse ourselves. Critics out there do, you should too. We’re not evil. We’re unrestrained.
That said, moralfags should consider renaming themselves. After all, remember that it’s moralfags splitting off. Not Anonymous.
May 31, 2008 at 4:33 am
Frank ,
As Mark Bunker said, people have been attacking the cult for decades, and they don’t want their efforts undermined. The cult won’t be brought down by ridicule alone, though it’ll play a part. Patience and endurance, analysis and distribution of information are most important.
As has been expressed by you, or one of the other posters ,when you no longer get any fun out of it and get bored you will change your target. How will this effect the efforts of the poor old sloggers like me, will you be a drag on our endeavours?
Having said that though I don’t think you’ll get bored that quick, there’ll always be something poking it’s head out of the bag. We havn’t seen the worst of scientology yet. When the beast is finally cornered we will see a viciousness that it’s fear will encourage. You may have heard of the ‘Nacht und Nebel’ course taken by the Nazi’s to silence opponents. It means ‘Night and Fog’. Opponents would simply disappear without any explanation or information as to where they were held, under what pretext, or if they were being held at all.
I predict , because the patterns of behaviour and thinking of the scientology management is predictable, this tactic will be employed at some stage relative to the nearness of the organisations collapse. It’ll be one of the last ones before they start murdering each other. Miscavige is not going to put his hands in the air to say ‘Okay, you got me, it’s a fair cop.’ He’s going to go down fighting, and he’s not going to care who he destroys in the process.
The great attribute of Anonymous is their unpredictability. As soon as this changes, as complacency sets in, lives will be at stake, if they aren’t already. You have to be on your guard against infiltration, which the cult are very adept at. I don’t think a sense of lulz is sufficient protection against it.
May 31, 2008 at 4:41 am
Hello again FrankvdWaal,
The ‘grey zone’ as you put it, is an important element in the best of humour but watch that thin line between legal and illegal, sometimes it moves of it’s own accord.
I would agree with renaming the moralfag element of Anonymous, for pragmatic reasons, but the name doesn’t belong to anyone.
May 31, 2008 at 1:50 pm
General Public: The old sloggers may continue. Despite our reasons, our goal is one and the same. That’s what makes this such a beautiful unholy alliance. As for protection against infiltration, it is just as we say. One falls, ten stand up. The thing about Anonymous is not harassing people who are asking for it, it’s also taking it up the ass if you dropped the ball.
George:
We move along with that line.
Which brings us back to my original point. This epilepsy raid was likely illegal, but especially pathetic.
June 9, 2008 at 3:08 am
Ummm… this is just silly.
You can’t highjack anon. Anon is just a mass of people that do whatever it is that they think they should be doing to be anon. Whatever anon thinks it should be, that is what it will be, at least for a while. If the “antiscifags” want to protest under the banner of anon, that is their business. If /i/nvadors want to give tards siezures, that is their business.
Although it is pretty douchey that a bunch of fags are attempting to portray anon as somthing that it is not. If you want to protest, fine. If you want to say you are part of anon, that is fine (although you arn’t really anon anymore). But dont try to say that all anon supports or should support something.
By the by, y’know who else started a dangerous international cult? Jesus Christ.
June 9, 2008 at 3:20 am
oh and i forgot.
George?
GTFO FAGGOT
STFU about nazi’s and shit. What I forgot to mention is that anon IS an embodiment of human nature. Everything is anonymous, there are no consequences, and so people act the way they really are. Have you ever even been to one of the chans? Have you seen the relentless n1gg3r spamming?
Maybe you actually care. It is a possibility. But anon is general human nature, and humans are evil bastards. If the newfags want to protest scientology, they can join a group.
Besides, it’s not like a majority of anons ate part of the protests. They are just the most vocal part. They are probably less then 1 percent of the real number. Of course I have no proof of this, but I am fairly certain that this is more or less true.
now… TITS OR GTFO
June 9, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“According to an article on Wired, the forum raids included the submission of posts designed to trigger epileptic seizures using flashing images.”
I lol’d.
June 9, 2008 at 4:08 pm
You’re right, jimmy. The moralfags are the ones following. The old guard is rare. I am disappointed myself whenever I request USB lines and nobody knows what the fuck I am talking about.
But we are not vocal. We’re usually just blending in, like we have always done. We are the ones not screaming shit about mudkipz and >9000. The protestfags you see are usually not the old guard. But like you, we are watching and waiting.
It’s a shame there cannot be cooperation between us. I’d love for the /i/nsurgents to continue doing what they do best. I can’t do shit like /i/ does, nor do I have the patience to learn it. So I go out and do it the public way. I troll. A lot.
To each his own, but if it wasn’t for the vocal moralfags, I am sure unity would be a lot easier. Alas, brother.
June 9, 2008 at 5:27 pm
This oldfags/newfags/moralfags/ /i/nsurgent thing is really interesting to watch. It’s kind of like watching a religion schism into an ‘orthodox church’ and a ‘reformed church’.
The really cool bit is how the phrase ‘Anonymous’ is set up such that it means whatever someone thinks it means. Essentially, ‘Anonymous’ as a concept is now out of the control of any one person or group of people. It’s becoming even more anarchic than the people who founded it might have wanted it to be. I find it to be no surprize that people calling themselves Anonymous that appear in public have chosen the mask of V as one of their symbols.
Out of interest, does anyone know how Alan Moore feels about Anonymous taking up the image of one of his best creations?
June 10, 2008 at 2:15 am
faggots
June 11, 2008 at 9:48 pm
This took exceptionally long to read. Being only a passive observer of the “Scientology Scamanology which from lengthy description seems like a organization in need of some actual regulatory oversight from a sovereign body”
However I am impressed by the childish comments clearly left by those who wish to take away from the spirit of this blog.
I for one applaud Ron’s efforts to show the terrifying scenarios that this organization when left to its own vices will take to protect their paranoid fantasy world.
But this anonymous divide: Guys you are arguing over a word.
You always have bigger things to worry about than THAT.
June 12, 2008 at 4:08 am
jimmy is living in a moral vacuum if he thinks there are no consequences to behaving irresponsibly ie. caring only for the lulz and nothing else. Also his view on human nature is behaviourist and incomplete. Being an ‘evil bastard’ is a choice we make, we are not confined or helpless in rejecting any form of impulse.
I think jimmy likes being part of a group and enjoys the identity it gives him. But his predictable sharing of a group mentality means he cannot truly move in an invisible way.
One of the qualities of being anonymous is the ability to be invisible. It’s an intelligence which goes beyond jimmy’s rigid conceptual thinking.
His sentence `By the by, y’know who else started a dangerous international cult? Jesus Christ.´ shows how much he lacks in study and humour. Jesus was a Jew until the day he died, he never started anything. It makes his dig look stupid.
jimmy is dangerous to anonymous because he shouts too much. His bravado shows weakness of character and when he repeats himself verbally, as he undoubtably will, those who want to find a way in will focus on him. The enemy spy learns your mindset, befriends and agrees with you to lull you into a sense of security and then manoevers you subtly into the position where they can do the most damage.
jimmy m’lad, I wouldn’t trust you to make tea.
June 13, 2008 at 3:36 am
I agree with you George, guys like jimmy are an impediment. He needs a cold shower or something to wake him up.
“But anon is general human nature, and humans are evil bastards. “
Jimmy! You have found an expression and have adopted it as you’d chose a shirt in a shop: “Yes, it suits me I think I’ll buy it.”
But you havn’t seen the defects and flaws in the expression. It’s as if you have bought a shirt because of the style and colour but neglected to test it’s textile strength. The expression is worn out : the shirt rips after the first serious wash. But you still wear it, not even noticing how ragged it is. You want to be part of a group. Those that share your taste can’t help you because their clothes were bought in the same shop. They can’t see your rags for what they are either. It’d mean looking into their own wardrobe, but that would be too embarrassing for them -like being caught wearing your old 1970’s flared trousers on the way to the laundrette because they were your only alternatively to making the journey in your underpants.
Worse is wearing inadequate clothing in bad weather. On the physical level we usually learn this lesson fast . On the mental plane we don’t so easily make the connection between using classical well worn-out cliches and the state of our intellectual health. Constant use of cliches shows the intellect of a given brain as malfunctioning, becoming stale, slowing down to a halt. It becomes ill.
Far greater than the self important shouting that jimmy indulges in is the capacity we have to co-operate with each other. Everybody does it every day except for the psychotic lunatic. A simple conversation is a form of co-operation. Hardly noticeable !
Why isn’t this capacity given greater credit?
Is it because the other one is so much more darkly interesting?
Is it because some people need an excuse to indulge themselves?
Is it because some people are afraid to move their brains from the comfort of ignorance?
June 16, 2008 at 7:06 pm
As an Ex-Scilo, it makes me sad that the only group that has been able to deal this much damage to Scientology since it’s existence is so divided.
If you guys even knew how much of an effect you guys have, more power than you know. Your motives should vary, but this isn’t some sideshow, you guys are doing serious damage to their image, serious PR nightmares for the Scilo’s. My last Org didn’t even sell one copy of Dianetics during Bookathon thanks to Anon.
I’m not a part of you, but I see what you are doing, and if this ends and the Scilo’s win, it’ll depress me for the rest of my life. There were people like us, during the 70’s who tried to fight them, and lost. Now, more than ever, we have a chance to do something honestly, ridiculously amazing.
Do it for the lulz, for whatever it is that you do it, but stop them before they take other kids into the Sea Org like they did me and my sister. Stop them before this continues beyond control. The Scilo’s should not be exempt and be receiving benefits from our tax dollars, they should not get away with murder and child exploitation, for conning the spirit, and those that truly need help.
I found my way here, thanks to small, insignificant people like yourselves. I am sure there are others. You may not be looking for it in particular, but you have my thanks.
June 20, 2008 at 6:32 pm
This entire discussion is wrong, and no part of what /b/ was cersus is can be defined as what they raided or why they raided it because, oh what oops, /b/ was no built on raids.
The problem is, to quote: “Oldfags are intelligent people acting like idiots. Newfags are idiots not getting the joke.”
Call everything epic while having a pointless argument; you’re part of the hill sloping down. The huge problem is with newfags around, oldfags are too busy trying to differentiate themselves and insult the newfags to not take things seriously. As we all know, when things are taken seriously, everybody is already missing the point.
Be sure to respond, validation is in retaliation.
June 23, 2008 at 11:05 am
It seems this article is way off the mark. Old/new is a false dichotomy created by OSA to divide Anonymous. For the most part, all the old/new stuff was a very small thing prior to January 16, when the chans began raiding Scientology. Back then, it was more like calling someone a noob or something. Since then, the OSA infiltrators, actually Scientology youth managed by OSA, have worked at creating division within the chans and have actually been pretty successful, though far too late to affect many of the committed protestors’ opinions. They are still managing 4chan at the moment. They have counter-raided as early as last Monday when they unleashed a ton of cp and some spambots. After that, Moot caved in, something happened for him to turn on his constituents, and he arranged a humiliation on live webcam for certain of his Boston-area fans. The jury is still out on whether the Anons were joined by Moot’s confederates to make them look ridiculous. Anyway, it looks like Moot tried to appease Scientology who may have contacted him and threatened him somehow. This is conjecture, but far closer to the truth than you will get anywhere else, especially from the horse’s mouth.