The Koran in Question? Powerful new evidence against Islam?
A secret archive of ancient Islamic text which could challenge the very core of the truth value of Islam’s claim of Allah has surfaced after 60 years of suppression.
It is written in Asia Times Online that
No one is going to produce proof that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave three days after the Crucifixion, of course. Humankind will choose to believe or not that God revealed Himself in this fashion. But Islam stands at risk of a Da Vinci Code effect, for in Islam, God’s self-revelation took the form not of the Exodus, nor the revelation at Mount Sinai, nor the Resurrection, but rather a book, namely the Koran. The Encyclopaedia of Islam (1982) observes, “The closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Koran in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ.” The Koran alone is the revelatory event in Islam.
What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources? That would be the precise equivalent of proving that the Jesus Christ of the Gospels really was a composite of several individuals, some of whom lived a century or two apart.
It is speculated in the Asia Times that these ancient texts were hidden away during WWII by the Nazis, who were motivated to maintain good relations with the Islamic leaders with whom they shared anti-semitic alliances.
The Asia Times reports that there has long been strong pressure against free inquiry into the authorship of the Koran. Jobs have been lost, research funding cut, and international and interfaith dialogue has been strained by this resistance. Apparently, it has long been the case that one probes the history of the Koran at their own risk, and the risk is substantial.
Speaking of international and interfaith dialogue and relations, the Asia Times says that
The Islamic world is forced to adopt an openly irrational stance, employing its power to intimidate scholars and frustrate the search for truth. It is impossible for Muslims to propose a dialogue with Western religions, as 38 Islamic scholars did in an October 13 letter to Pope Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders, and rule the subject of text criticism out of the discussion.
Precisely for this reason, Church leaders see little basis for a dialogue with Islam. Jean-Louis Cardinal Tauran, who directs the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, told the French daily La Croix, “Muslims do not accept discussion about the Koran, because they say it was written under the dictates of God. With such an absolutist interpretation, it’s difficult to discuss the contents of the faith.”
The report concludes with the following statement:
Throughout the Internet, Islamist sites denouce the work of a handful of marginalized scholars as evidence of a plot by Christian missionaries to sabotage Islam. What the Muslim world cannot conceal is its vulnerability and fear in the face of Koranic criticism.
While it would not stun me if this was some sort of conspiracy against Islam, it also does not stun me that many Islamic bloggers are immediately jumping to this conclusion.
(Hat Tip: GBG Atheist News)
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in the “hadid” is reported, that M. went out into the wilderness for meditation and to him happened, what does to all meditators (even Jesus ) Evil spirits, the devil appears and tries to get them. M. got revelations by a spirit calling himself Gibril and telling him a lot of things. M. went home and reported to his wife Fatima, who persuaded him to believe. M. found contradictions to Judaism and Christian belief and his angel told him that the later revelation is always the better( conceding that this angel himself brought erring messages)
Islam has been a suspicious message from its very beginnings!
You are confused. Muhammad was in the desert,first of all, so where didthewilderness come from? Second, Fatima is his daughter, not his wife. Third, not a spirit, an angel, unlike yourbible wherePaul (the founderof Christianity found a light who was speaking falsehoods on the road to Damascus, and in your same book it says Satan comes in that same form that was described, a light, who does not truly reveal himself.
And by “M.” 1arabella is referring to MUHAMMED. There. I said it.
After Satanic verses it’s hard to think of any Koranic investigation as offensive… but then they did call of his death. It is kinda sad since many Muslims and Arabic speaker regard the Koran as the “best” Arabic and so whomever wrote it was quite talented (at least to them). But with an irrational view that it was dictated by an angel (how you tell an angel from a demon who is trying to trick you is actually simple by using the ACME demon detection kit) this would convince no one just as the christian evangelicals think the bible was magically put together despite historical evidence.
It would also not surprise any educated person who knows anything of the Koran since the beginning (likely written when Mohammad was not in power) is very kind and conciliatory but farther on is where all the nasty stuff is and is from when Mohammad was in power. For a really interesting fictional analogy see the tale of the Muad’Dib in Dune.
Interesting post. I have just posted something on interreligous dialogue, with comments representing very different positions. Here is the link in case you are interested: http://deligentia.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/messiah-moon/
اولا الاسلام ليس بحاجه الى ان يبرء نفسه واذا كانت الديانه المسيحيه حقيقه فأتونى برد على هذا:-انى اتعجب لقبر يضم رب والاعجب منه انه عاش داخل بطن امه يعنى ولد طفل ذليل ضعيف يفتح فمه لثدى امه حتى يقدر ان يعيش يأكل ويشرب وينام ويغفل عن الكون الذى خلقه ,,,,,فأين الحق الاسلام هو الحق الذى ينص على ارسال رساله وهى ان الله واحد لا شريك له هو الذى خلق كل شى ولم يخلق ولم يولد ولم يلد وقادر على كل شىء وهو الذى اعطى سيدنا عيسى الحق فأن ينفخ فى الطين فيصبح بهيئة طير كما سخر لسيدنا سليمان الجن والملائكة والحيوانات وجعله يفهم لغتهم ويسمعهم وكما خلق عيسى بدون اب خلق ادم بدون ام او اب وخلق حواء من ادم ومن دون ام لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
اولا الاسلام ليس بحاجه الى ان يبرء نفسه واذا كانت الديانه المسيحيه حقيقه فأتونى برد على هذا:-انى اتعجب لقبر يضم رب والاعجب منه انه عاش داخل بطن امه يعنى ولد طفل ذليل ضعيف يفتح
فمه لثدى امه حتى يقدر ان يعيش يأكل ويشرب وينام ويغفل عن الكون الذى خلقه ,,,,,فأين الحق الاسلام هو الحق الذى ينص على ارسال رساله وهى ان الله واحد لا شريك له هو الذى خلق كل شى ولم يخلق ولم يولد ولم يلد وقادر على كل شىء وهو الذى اعطى سيدنا عيسى الحق فأن ينفخ فى الطين فيصبح بهيئة طير كما سخر لسيدنا سليمان الجن والملائكة والحيوانات وجعله يفهم لغتهم ويسمعهم وكما خلق عيسى بدون اب خلق ادم بدون ام او اب وخلق حواء من ادم ومن دون ام لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
Okay first of all, on numerousoccasions has Jesus Christ been proven not to have risen from the dead and not to even have been crucified, by your own bible. Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qiOlJH7lfg (this is the firstpart). The cruciFICTION is more like it, since it has been debunked once and for all.
Second, not a single source has been provided (a whole lot of POWERFUL stuff this is)My 10 year old nephew knows the answersto all of these ridiculous statements. I myself have dealed with far more challenging so called arguements. A fair warning to all who read the above article, use this on any common Muslimandyou will most definitely be humiliated.
Its human nature to avoid a subject that was created by a Lie. Islam and their so called scholars get offended when their cult is questioned. Its a fact that the so called angel in the cave was a demon, allah is not the True God of the Holy Bible but Satan who hides behind this generic name that means “the god” I strongly recommend “Islam, in light of History” by Rafat Amari, The Truth hurts but We who beleive in the True God must take Muslims away from the deception of Satan. Israel is constantly finding archaelogical sites that support the Holy Bible, Ask a Muslim for PROOF that the Kaba was there before the 4th century, after all they claim Abraham and Ishmael built it. LOL
I forgot to mention.. Do you think that our True God Yahweh will wait 600 years to reveal that the Holy Bible has been corrupted. Now let’s Think, If you were God who would you Choose.
A. Jesus, whose birth was miracolous, Sinless, Spread Love, Did not kill, create an Army, Performed Miracles, Raised the Dead etc.
B. muhammad, born from sin, pagan parents, Murderer, Thief, Liar, Pedophile, Demon Possesed, Sex Addict.. who offered his army 72 virgins in their Orgie Heaven and never performed a miracle. Come on. Its a joke to even ask
That would be allegedly on both A and B: for Point A please cite sources other than the Holy Bible and as for Point B please cite sources other than Internet Webpages.
Ben, Amen. Mohammed was visit by the devil (not Angel Gabriel), if you Muslims recall the encounter in the cave, Mohammed was very very scared -as the demon/devil demanded that Mohammed “RECITE” as Mohammed replied “I can’t” -”RECITE”
-”I Can’t”
-”RECITE”
-”I Can’t read or write”
Okay…. c’mon people, take off the scales from your eyes!!!!! An ANGEL from our HOLY ALL KNOWING GOD would have KNOWN Mohammed was illeterate!
Just like the devil appeared to Jesus when he was fasting in the wilderness for 40 days… the Devil TEMPTED or it can be said he Tested Jesus Christ with 3 Questions:
1. The devil sneered: “if you are the Son of God, make these rocks turn to bread”
Jesus: “It is WRITTEN, men does not live by bread alone”
2.Devil took Jesus to the Holy city, Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the Temple. Satan asked Jesus to throw himself down. If the Angels protected him from hitting the stones, now not only him (Devil), but all people in the temple will also be convinced that He is the Son of God. This is creative of the devil because since he knows the word of GOD (in the BIBLE, Psalms 91:11-12, “For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone” -but of course, when you are in danger from an accident, trusting GOD.. not in a way to “test” GOD) the devil can use the word of GOD, twist it, misinterpret it and present it in such a way which is contrary to the will of God… as it is believed he did with Mohammed, whom the devil converted into the FALSE PROPHET.
Jesus: “It is WRITTEN, do not put the Lord your God to the test.”
3. The final temptation brought the innermost desire of Satan, “to become God”. He wants to be worshiped as God. He burns with the desire of being like God. And He offers the biggest lie to all who follows him, that they can be also God. (Gen 3:4).
Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the World and their splendor. In those days, Roman Empire rules the majority of known world. Their power and glory were incomparable. But it fell eventually and now we see nothing but the ruins.
Jesus however, promises ‘Kingdom of Heaven’ (Mat 4:17), he does not offer temporary kingdom but Eternal Kingdom. The Devil’s proposal was a direct breaking of the first commandment. “You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them..” (Exodus 20:3-4)
Jesus: “Begone, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only. (Matthew 4:10)”
Unfortunately, it is very sad for me to say this, bc I have so many close Muslim friends that are like family… MOHAMMED was Satan’s next target to TEMPT/TEST and Mohamed, being a mortal, did not KNOW it was Satan, believed the lie that it was an Angel from GOD (who did not know Mohammad was illiterate! When God knows everything about us!!! He is Omnipotent)
Thus, today we have MOHAMMED as the FALSE PROPHET
the Devil who lied to Mohammed posing as a good angel of God, Angel Gabriel, and TWISTED GOD”S HOLY RELIGION creating a new MAN’S religion of violence, rape, pedophilia , a sexual and carnal heaven??? and hatred of our other human brothers and sisters created by the ONE AND ONLY GOD ABOVE.
Many of the GOOD GUYS in the BIBLE are now the BAD GUYS in the Koran, such as Jesus Himself -whom the Muslims say never died on the CROSS -thus canceling the entire Christian FAITH!!!!! The core of Christianity is John 3:16 that God gave his only begotten SON, who died on the cross for our Sins, and whomever believes in HIM will not perish, but have everlasting life.
ISLAM is the religion of the Anti-Christ because simply stated, they do not believe in Jesus as the Christ, thus, they are the Anti-Christ afore mentioned in the HOLY BIBLE -that has been the SAME BIBLE, NOTHING CHANGED -LOOK IT UP -SINCE THE TIME MOHAMMED WAS ALIVE.
MUSLIMS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE OPEN A BIBLE, or READ IT ONLINE -BUT READ IT TO see the TRUTH. PRAY TO GOD TO SHOW HIMSELF TO YOU. GO on Youtube and hear the way Muslims have converted to Christianity… the TRUE religion. By the way, the description of our Anti-Christ in the Bible is switched and twisted to be your awaited Jesus in the Koran, no way… ISLAM is a LIE.. the Biggest LIE SATAN created it.
GOD IS LOVE -that is the MAIN Description Missing in all of your limited 99 names for God mentioned in the Koran. C’mon….. I love you guys, GOD LOVES YOU MORE.. He’s waiting at the door of your heart and soul, knocking for you to not be afraid, and with an open heart, allow our HOLY, ALL POWERFUL, MOST POWERFUL GOD to enter and come into your life. He is forgiving, understanding, merciful, compassionate, GOOD, HOLY, LOVE, Peace…..
PEACE, another clue about Islam is that it is a religion that instills FEAR….in its followers and on the “infidels.” Babas, PEACE is what religion should make you feel if it indeed is a religion from GOD -our GOD of LOVE, GOOD, HOLINESS, and everything BEAUTIFUL, SPIRITUAL, HOLY, AND HEAVENLY.
Only reading the Koran is hypnotizing -with all the phrases dedicated to “Mohammed is his messenger” at the beginning of every new surah… Plus, those Satanic verses that NOBODY UNDERSTANDS or KNOWS WHAT IS BEING RECITED is only bringing more Death, and Demons to your home, and places of worship… Keeping you guys in bondage, in ignorance, and blind. You reading this is not a coincidence. May our HOLY GOD BLESS YOU and Show you the WAY, Show you PROOF if you ask -bc you must ask with your MOUTH…as he KNOWS everything but wants to see us SHOW him how much we TRUST in HIM. “Allah” simply means “The God” -any God, the one Satan has always wanted to be, perhaps.. but “Jesus Christ” is the one and only way…. YOU DON’T HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE HOLY TRINITY -THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT bc our brains are limited… but YOU MUST Admit GOD CAN DO & HAS THE POWER TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO, AND IF HE WANTS TO SAVE HUMANITY, TO SAVE US, AND HE DID. BY HIS GRACE, NEVER BY OURS, bc we will never be Good Enough, we will always fall short of being Righteous. JESUS CHRIST was the PERFECT, CLEAN, PRISTINE EXAMPLE of a man to aspire to be like. (Please dont compare him to Mohammed, the sinner, with so manyyyyy flaws, and corruption, and guilt for misguiding so many millions into a fake religion of the Devil..)
GOD PLEASE BLESS US AND GUIDE US ALL. Amen.
Islam doesn’t allow rape or pedophilia or violence or any of those lies you speak of Moses as is mentiontened more times in the quran then muhammed pbuh Islam encourages justice and peace get your facts straight and write what you read from Muslims not what your priest in church or the web says
Okay where to start lol Muhammed pbuh did perform miracles read the qurans translation he asked Allah to split the moon to prove to the pagons Allah is the one and only god and if you read about the moon you’ll know it has a perfect welding and when god does something it should be nothing less then perfect true nuff said bout that. In the quran it gives perfect detail on the image of an embryo it says correct me if I’m wrong that we are in the belly of our mothers in the shape of a chewed substance, take a piece of gum chew it with your back teeth and look at a pic of an embryo compare the two. Also during the end times one of the signs will be that the sun will rise in opposite directions if you read about the magnetic fields energy you’ll know it goes out once every couple hundred thousand something years or something when that happens the earth reverses its orbit and you have the sun rising from opposite directions. Once that happens the solar flares from the sun will wipe out technologys power and that is also another prophecy, ofcourse when the earth reverses its orbit earthquakes and tsunamis and those good stuff willpower happen another prophecy of the end times. You see Islam ain’t about virgins and bombs and Shit its about being closer to your lord then to earthly desires for aren’t we made from earth and god put a piece of him in us that’s why we stray and go back. He is most gracious and merciful my friends we make mistakes but he still opens up the sky and pours rain so that we may eat from his blessing. Gain knowledge, read with an open mind and heart for wasn’t that told to the prophet. Do not let ignorance get the best of you I do not follow my religeon blindly I read about the bible and Torah before fully accepting Islam read and meditate upon the quran before fully accepting your religeon. May peace and guidance be with you all